poll: QSD vs. DoSP [for iqhan grinding]

[Chest_Rockfield]

Yes, sir!

[Mino]

With my current equipment available, I can get my cc to nearly 50% so the DoSP is definitely strong, but I have been using the QSD for the past few weeks and it just seemed more reliable to me.

Since you will never have a 100% guarantee to hit, no matter how high you build your AC (because of the dice roll system), I like having the extra chances to strike. I currently have level 2 of Combat Speed and wear the Jewel of Fallhaven, so I get 6 hits from the QSD, and if I need a little extra, I can take a minor potion of speed for a 7th. I use this to attack 2 at a time for the robed guys, and its enough to kill a Chaos Beast even if I miss once. If I miss twice, I usually get hit by them though.

But I like switching weapons around, and adjusting my gear to compliment the weapon so I might have to change my answer in a week or 2.

I'm surprised at level 90 you still can get hit by things if you strike first. It may behoove you to give the DoSP a few swings. I don't even have that high of damage, and I one shot everything except the Chaos Beasts (and only a few damage added or a SP in CM will change that). Crit hits are sick. I can't believe I never used to use a crit weapon. I was always of the school of thought of guaranteed damage being superior to chance. (My change of heart may also have something to do with the fact that I all but eliminated the chance aspect of the crit hit, but even while I was working my way up, it felt really powerful.)

I just changed my answer to DoSP

After switching back to it while playing last night, I found I was now able to not only 1-shot most of the colorful robed guys, but even take on 2 Chaos Beasts at once and kill them before they can hit me first. I don't know if its an actual weapon stat or not but it did feel like the QSD allowed you to hit first more often, so I still give it points for that (if its actually true). I only have about half the cc% as you but I still get the critical hit 1 out of 2 swings so you're right, it is more powerful and also allows for faster grinding.

[Chest_Rockfield]

I just changed my answer to DoSP

After switching back to it while playing last night, I found I was now able to not only 1-shot most of the colorful robed guys, but even take on 2 Chaos Beasts at once and kill them before they can hit me first. I don't know if its an actual weapon stat or not but it did feel like the QSD allowed you to hit first more often, so I still give it points for that (if its actually true). I only have about half the cc% as you but I still get the critical hit 1 out of 2 swings so you're right, it is more powerful and also allows for faster grinding.

Oh, wow, I didn't even notice your AC. It's way above mine. I hit first most of the time, you should crushing in there. I only recently started building up my BC, and I can tell you it saves a ton of BMP, time using BMP, and vigilance of screen watching. But it looks like your build is not too dissimilar from mine: sick offense then defense.

[Mino]

Oh, wow, I didn't even notice your AC. It's way above mine. I hit first most of the time, you should crushing in there. I only recently started building up my BC, and I can tell you it saves a ton of BMP, time using BMP, and vigilance of screen watching. But it looks like your build is not too dissimilar from mine: sick offense then defense.

My AC (and HP) went down after switching out some of my gear to compliment the critical hit weapon (I'll just wait until my next level up to update the stats in my signature), but yeah, when I first started playing I would take 1 turn for each stat when I'd get a level up.

But then I saw a discussion on these boards that there was more benefit to upgrading AC & AD, and at the same time learned about the RoLS (this was all during v.0.6.8) so after getting my HP to 50, I focused my level ups after that on AC & AD while grinding for that ring (which I never got...).

I did the same after v0.6.9 was out and I was grinding by that infamous cabin after finishing all the quests up to that point. But now I'm back to also increasing my BC & even HP on level ups.

But getting back on topic, I still think the QSD might still be better in the situations where you're fighting 3 high level monsters at a time, like that one fence in the caves. And even then, I'd recommend also taking a speed potion to increase your odds of first kill.

[Chest_Rockfield]

Oh, wow, I didn't even notice your AC. It's way above mine. I hit first most of the time, you should crushing in there. I only recently started building up my BC, and I can tell you it saves a ton of BMP, time using BMP, and vigilance of screen watching. But it looks like your build is not too dissimilar from mine: sick offense then defense.

My AC (and HP) went down after switching out some of my gear to compliment the critical hit weapon (I'll just wait until my next level up to update the stats in my signature), but yeah, when I first started playing I would take 1 turn for each stat when I'd get a level up.

But then I saw a discussion on these boards that there was more benefit to upgrading AC & AD, and at the same time learned about the RoLS (this was all during v.0.6.8) so after getting my HP to 50, I focused my level ups after that on AC & AD while grinding for that ring (which I never got...).

I did the same after v0.6.9 was out and I was grinding by that infamous cabin after finishing all the quests up to that point. But now I'm back to also increasing my BC & even HP on level ups.

But getting back on topic, I still think the QSD might still be better in the situations where you're fighting 3 high level monsters at a time, like that one fence in the caves. And even then, I'd recommend also taking a speed potion to increase your odds of first kill.

At 90% though I don't really need extra swings I honestly cannot remember the last time I didn't kill all three of them in one round. I only need 3 crit hits or 2 crit hits and 2 consecutive regular hits out of my 4 swings to kill them all.

[Mino]

I was going to edit my reply to mention if you have nearly 100% cc, there's no need to switch to the QSD

[Pyrizzle]

I was going to edit my reply to mention if you have nearly 100% cc, there's no need to switch to the QSD

I wouldnt switch to the quick strike dagger. I like the crits too much

[SuFiC8]

Finaly got DoSp blowing through caves with np now...
I didn't like QSD much, as I was still using Shadow of the Slayer,
but the choice between the two daggers is no contest.. DoSp hands down